Issue 67322 - Change Website Type back to transitional
Summary: Change Website Type back to transitional
Status: CLOSED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Infrastructure
Classification: Infrastructure
Component: Website general issues (show other issues)
Version: 680m20
Hardware: All All
: P2 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: stx123
QA Contact: issues@infrastructure
URL: http://www.openoffice.org
Keywords:
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Blocks:
 
Reported: 2006-07-13 13:12 UTC by markomlm
Modified: 2012-01-29 22:52 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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Description markomlm 2006-07-13 13:12:36 UTC
Hello @all,

with the current CEE all pages of openoffice.org get the type:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
as default.

Please stop this and use 
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
again.

Why?
* With strict You can't use such things as named <form> tags (used with 
  the most of our script for Download eg.). 
* You have to change the style of all pages with formated tables or 
  fonts to css because with strict You cant use atributes like width or 
  height in <table> or color with the tag font ...

and so on and so on!!!

At the moment only some pages on de.openoffice.org are valid, www.openoffice.org
is not :-(

You can check this out here:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://de.openoffice.org
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.openoffice.org
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://download.openoffice.org
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://documentation.openoffice.org

Who has time to revalidate all this pages?
Thats why I will remove the w3c-Logo from all Pages on de.openoffice.org and
stop validating our pages.

Regards
Marko Moeller
Comment 1 jr 2006-07-14 11:29:20 UTC
added jrahemipour to CC
Comment 2 merschmann 2006-08-14 08:42:38 UTC
Isn't it it possible to have an answer on this after four weeks?
As we are one of the biggest opensource-projects we _should_ have valid pages.
Comment 3 markomlm 2006-08-14 09:05:12 UTC
Hello @all,

Take (again) a look at:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2F
Only one sentence:
It's a shame!

If now one is willing to turn the site back to transitional You should fix the 
site content and make it (strict) valid!

That is it what I said. We can talk about this for weeks and month but there 
must are people who are willing to do the job!

I say ist again. I am able to do it and I know the needed tools!!!
I will create new pages with strict but I don't want to validate all other 
pages again!
Keep in mind: There are a lot of pages on several OOo sites (it is easy to say
make it strict if You have to do it for about ten pages but not for more than 
hundred!) and there is no !!! benefit we get!

BTW: The German start page is valid.

Regards
Marko


Comment 4 nb 2007-07-10 19:47:01 UTC
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Comment 5 Unknown 2007-07-10 21:21:18 UTC
Hi

Thank you for contacting CollabNet Customer Support. Based on the information
that has been provided to us, we will initiate our research & provide you an
update as soon as we have adequate information.


Thanks,
Sridhar
Support Operations
Comment 6 Unknown 2007-07-11 01:38:21 UTC
Hi

I am discussing this issue internally, will provide you an update as soon as i
have  adequate information.

Thanks
Sridhar
Support Operations
Comment 7 markomlm 2007-07-11 07:30:41 UTC
Hello Sridhar,
Thank Yoy for having a look at this issue.
Regards
Marko
Comment 8 Unknown 2007-07-12 05:48:51 UTC
Adding myself.
Comment 9 Unknown 2007-07-24 01:15:13 UTC
Hi

Our Engineers had a view at this request and confirmed that this could be done
by site branding, but we found the given format is invalid due to the reasons below

> The given Doctype to use <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
Transitional//EN" which is not possible to use XHTML Public name with a
Transitional DTD

>It can be done with <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"


The modified DTD definition is from W3C school

Steps to reproduce

Checkout the look project
www/overrides/templates and modify the PreServlet.vm

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
to
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

Kindly let us know to proceed further.

Regards,
Sridhar
Support Operations
Comment 10 markomlm 2007-07-24 08:04:29 UTC
Thank You for Your explanation.
I'll forward it to the website team, cause I have not tehe rights to do this.
Regards
Marko
Comment 11 stx123 2007-07-24 14:21:44 UTC
So the question is not so much how to change the doctype. 
The point is to come to a decision whether we would like to change it.
Comment 12 markomlm 2007-07-24 14:54:30 UTC
Hi st,
Stefan, please be honest.

In my mind it was a fault from the beginning.
Is there any (good) reason to keep the pages on strict?

If this should be I will open another Issue:
"Please make the content of OpenOffice.org w3c strict valid"
To hold on an ugly type and dont use it or validate the main pages for this doc
type makes no sense, pardon me, that is nonsens!

Take a look at the posted links please and then tell me who is willing to
validate them to strict. I have stopped validation for the German pages at the
moment, cause I hat it to spent time for work and then kick it to trash. If this
problem is fixed, I'll be happy to validate the rest of the pages.

And another reason: There was no (!) discussion or decision to change the type 
from transitional to strict.

In my mind it is only a simple fix for a fault.

Kind regards
Marko
Comment 13 lohmaier 2007-07-25 11:44:31 UTC
Facts:

IssueZilla doesn't create valid xhtml-strict. IssueZilla will not be changed to
xhtml-strict. (see issue 67382 )

Thus: keeping strict doesn't make sense. 

The point being is: CollabNet changed the doctype to strict during the upgrade.

We previously had changed it to xhtml-transitional when the mainpage was
redesigned. Now changed it back, setting the issue to fixed.
Comment 14 stx123 2007-07-25 15:57:31 UTC
verified and closing...

As cloph correctly described the change was a result of the upgrade visible
quite a while on the staging server. And we could decide either way - work
towards "strict" (except IZ) or stay with "transitional".
I'm fine with switching back to transitional. But do we ever plan to transition?