Issue 8945 - project owner not listed on project's home page
Summary: project owner not listed on project's home page
Status: CLOSED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Infrastructure
Classification: Infrastructure
Component: Website general issues (show other issues)
Version: current
Hardware: PC Windows 2000
: P3 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: eric.renaud
QA Contact: issues@ooo
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Reported: 2002-11-04 09:36 UTC by Frank Schönheit
Modified: 2012-03-18 00:49 UTC (History)
6 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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Description Frank Schönheit 2002-11-04 09:36:06 UTC
Looking at http://dba.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMemberList, I see that the
user fs@openoffice.org (me :) does not have a real name. Well, strange, but not
really problematic (though I admit I'd like to have my name there :).

Looking at http://dba.openoffice.org, it seems that the "project owner" header
is generated from the real names, too, and this is the point where I am vain
enough to want to see my name :).

Can somebody please give me my real name back (which is what I prefer - it would
not even contradict these weird export restrictions, because we _know_ that my
name is _not_ O.... B.. L....), or at least let the login name appear on the
start page header?
Comment 1 stx123 2002-11-04 10:28:55 UTC
reassigning to support.
Esp. the situation, that project owners without real name are left out
on the project's home page needs a resolution.
Comment 2 Unknown 2002-11-04 21:37:04 UTC
Stefan - Please get in touch with Eric Renaud in this regard.
Comment 3 stx123 2002-11-05 11:27:58 UTC
Eric, I know that we have to come up with the data which should be
collected from registrants.
Nevertheless I think, that omitting a project owner because he has no
real name is a bug. At least the login name should be mentioned.
PLease confirm.
Thanks, Stefan.
Comment 4 eric.renaud 2002-11-05 12:10:50 UTC
I agree.  At least the login name should be made known, as this is 
information for which we can ask.  If the login ends up being 
analogous to the user's real name, it will be a pleasant coincidence 
that does not violate any export control laws.

Comment 5 Frank Schönheit 2002-11-05 12:25:42 UTC
Sorry for interfering :).
How big are the chances that "Frank Schönheit" violates the export
restrictions? How big would be the effort to answer this question for
_one_ given name?
What I want to say: Would it be feasible to allow for real names at
least for the project owners in any case? The number of project owners
is pretty small, so checking if their name is, ehm, you know, _his_
name (I know I simplyfy this check here :) should be possible without
too much effort, shouldn't it?

I do not argue agains the general rule of not allowing real names, but
wouldn't a small list of exceptions ("project owners" should be
_small_) make sense?
Comment 6 stx123 2002-11-05 12:31:38 UTC
Brain, see Eric's comment above.
reassigning to support.
Comment 7 stx123 2002-11-05 12:31:49 UTC
Brian, see Eric's comment above.
reassigning to support.
Comment 8 lsuarezpotts 2002-11-05 22:32:00 UTC
Hi
I'll leave it to support to file the PCN issue; I was about to do it. 
It relates, of course, to the elimination of new real names from the database. 
but the Project Owner field requires those names. If there is no real name, no 
project owner name. We cannot give your real name back (so to speak).
The best case scenario: to have that field in the template replaced by 
username not real name.
thanks
Louis
Comment 9 Frank Schönheit 2002-11-06 07:54:41 UTC
Louis, thanks for the info.
But: Doesn't this imply that on _all_ project home pages, the project
owner names would be replaced with the user names? Isn't this a major
impairment and ... weird?
Comment 10 lsuarezpotts 2002-11-06 08:45:46 UTC
yes 
sort of. We already use usernames for IZ; this would follow the same
logic.
Useful solution: What I have done on Native Lang, for which I'm a
co-lead, is just physically enter my name & Guy Capra's in the
index.html page.
-Louis 
Comment 11 Frank Schönheit 2002-11-06 11:34:33 UTC
Oh, I see ....

So it comes down to:
a. we are not allowed to use the real names because of some export
restrictions
b. thus the project owner header may be empty
c. but we want the project owners to be listed
d. thus we add them to the index.html manually

Doesn't d. (potentially) contradict or violate the same export
restrictions as a. does? Or, the other way round: If we can put real
names (of whoever, not only the project leads) on the home page, can't
we do the same with the real names? Or: If d. does not (potentially)
violate these famous laws, then why would a re-introduced real name in
the user account (which we checked before) do?

Yes, I never understood politics. And yes, adding the names to the
index.html is a workaround. But when writing code, I would call this a
HACK :).

I simply consider it - sorry - weird that we can put the names on the
page explicitly, but are not allowed (in hurrying obedience?) to
include them in the user data, not even for verified ones.
Comment 12 eric.renaud 2002-11-06 11:59:17 UTC
a. Yes
b. Yes
c. Yes
d. Yes

I'm speaking with one lawyer already today.  But I will (much 
to my chagrin ;) contact our export control attorney to investigate 
the ramifications of this action.

Meanwhile, why can't a user remit one's user name with what may or may 
not be one's real name?  I'm logged in as ejrenaud, but could just as 
easily be logged in with Eric Renaud (my real name - and I will log 
out and attempt to join as such).  

I realize this could cause complications were every user to join under 
another user name, but how deep would the problem run for project 
leads?  I believe this would skirt the issue (if we find out there is 
actually would be one) entirely, yes?
Comment 13 eric.renaud 2002-11-06 12:19:29 UTC
EricRenaud seemed to have worked just fine as a user name

Are user names something to which folks are generally attached?

I realize 'st' and 'fs' make it quick to login, but couldn't Frank 
Schoenheit just as easily be a username?

Again, I realize all the permissions would have to be set again after 
registering a new user name, (a new user, really).  

That is unless a manual change to username can be made on the existing 
account maintaining the user account as is.  Then the user name (aka 
real name) could be displayed identifying the project owner instead of 
the real name, yes?

Is this possible?  
Comment 14 Frank Schönheit 2002-11-06 13:23:21 UTC
changing the user name to FrankSchoenheit would be fine with me, even
creating a new user with that name. Finally, I can grant the "Project
Owner" role to this new account myself :). Would need to get the
permissions granted by somebody else, though.
This would indeed not only skirt the issue, but show it's absurdity.

But I can't resist repeating: This is not really only about project
owners. If we deny real names to users registered at OOo, users will
(to some noticable degree) move to real names as user names (in fact
there already are enough of such names).
Even if they don't - in a public communication area such as
Issuezilla, it's very disturbing to talk to people named "cpt03190",
"dongski", "szpityu", " palevell69" (just some arbitrary examples of
observers registered in DBA).

Real names (or even only an adequate substitute like nick names, which
is not the same as the user aka login name) are necessary for
communication.

But okay, I read this "speaking with one lawyer", so I will refrain
from ranting for a while and hope ....
Comment 15 Unknown 2002-11-08 23:13:36 UTC
updating whiteboard
Comment 16 Unknown 2002-11-11 19:17:06 UTC
When I look at dba.openoffice.org in the header of the project home
page both owners are displayed.

Re-assigning back to Eric as this is an issue internal to Sun and
OpenOffice.
Comment 17 stx123 2002-11-11 19:51:18 UTC
Brian, who do I have to thank for moving login names into empty real
name fields? Thanks anyway.
Comment 18 Frank Schönheit 2002-11-17 12:55:29 UTC
Just noticed that on the project owner home page, their appears a fs
now. Thanks to whoever made this possible :).

But. You knew there is a but (:
Just submitted a new issue (not at all related to this one here), and
saw that in the history of this issue, I appear as Frank Schoenheit.
For an example, look at issue 9300. This is bristled with my real name.
Looks like somewhere in OOo's database, my real name is still present,
and obviously it is also used.
At the risk of sombody misunderstanding this, but can we please make
this consistent: I.e. give me my real name back in all places? Sorry,
but the current situation is simply absurd.
Comment 19 Frank Schönheit 2002-11-17 12:58:42 UTC
> their appears
s/their/there/

> For an example, look at issue 9300
Even easier: Look at the history of this issue, where I have a real
name, too. Was this always the case? Dunno. But still I consider this
kinda schizophrenic ....
Comment 20 lsuarezpotts 2002-11-18 09:02:35 UTC
Frank,
there is a repository of names that we do not know what to do with
because we are still awaiting instructions from Sun. 
louis 
Comment 21 Frank Schönheit 2003-01-15 08:02:18 UTC
> I'm speaking with one lawyer already today.  But I will (much 
> to my chagrin ;) contact our export control attorney to investigate 
> the ramifications of this action.

Renaud, just curious: are there any news about the realname issue?
Comment 22 Frank Schönheit 2003-07-28 13:17:07 UTC
Is there any news about the realname issue? Perhaps from the laywer?
Perhaps from somebody who realizes that a login name such as
OsamaBinLaden could violate the export restrictions (is this still the
official justification?) equally easily as the same real name?

It's _really_ annoying to talk (in the issues) to people like
yl146652, brwk, or gongwf.
Furthermore, it's still a pain to match login names I see in issues to
real names which appear in the mailing lists. Pages like
http://ooo.ximian.com/name-account.html, which list this mapping in a
public place (and are questionable from a data protection perspective)
wouldn't be necessary if we had real names.
(BTW: the justification on the cited site is: "Without this mapping,
using Issuezilla can be particularly painful". Surprise.)
Comment 23 ace_dent 2008-05-16 02:38:42 UTC
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Comment 24 stx123 2011-03-23 16:07:38 UTC
Reset QA Contact to new default
Comment 25 Raphael Bircher 2012-03-18 00:49:46 UTC
Issue from the old OpenOffice.org project. I will close it now