Issue 8793 - Allow manual line breaks to be inserted in the Input line
Summary: Allow manual line breaks to be inserted in the Input line
Status: CLOSED DUPLICATE of issue 13870
Alias: None
Product: Calc
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.0.1
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: bettina.haberer
QA Contact: issues@sc
URL:
Keywords: oooqa
: 19551 28228 29500 40651 (view as issue list)
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2002-10-28 20:52 UTC by josh
Modified: 2013-08-07 15:12 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

See Also:
Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
Latest Confirmation in: ---
Developer Difficulty: ---


Attachments
line breaks in formulas (5.34 KB, application/vnd.sun.xml.calc)
2006-07-11 12:07 UTC, claudiadzm
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Description josh 2002-10-28 20:52:07 UTC
1. Open a blank spreadsheet
2. Enlarge a cell, and then type text into it with a manual line break (using
ctl+enter) in the middle.
3. Go to another cell, and type the same text, without the line break.  Move on
to another cell.
4. Go back to cell #2, and try to re-edit it and add a line break in the middle
using the input line on the top.  You cannot do it; ctl+enter just skips you to
the same cell.
5. Double-click cell #2, and edit it "in the cell".  You will now be able to
enter a manual line break.
6. Go back to Cell #1.  Notice that, on the input line, there is no character to
indicate the position of the manual line break.

See?  Not broken, but confusing as all-get-out.

Proposed resolution:
1. ctl+enter in the input line should create a manual line break in the cell.
2. On the input line, some special character should indicate the location of a
manual line break, such as the Paragraph mark.

Thanks!

-Josh Berkus
Comment 1 prgmgr 2002-10-30 02:50:16 UTC
Josh, thank you for your comments and suggestions.

Please create a new issue for your second comment about displaying 
non-printing characters.

User summary
Manual Line Break Behaviour is Inconsistent
Comment 2 peter.junge 2002-11-28 10:48:14 UTC
Hi Falko,
should be considered.
Peter
Comment 3 frank 2003-09-15 09:32:27 UTC
*** Issue 19551 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 4 falko.tesch 2003-10-17 09:41:55 UTC
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Comment 5 falko.tesch 2003-10-27 09:38:58 UTC
Ermm, sorry but I consider this behaviour completely OK. If one is in
the edit field than there is no feed back that there will be a line
wrap (opposed to editing directly in the cell itself). This I find
this OK.
Comment 6 falko.tesch 2003-10-27 09:39:12 UTC
closed
Comment 7 josh 2003-10-27 16:16:12 UTC
Falko,

YOU may not find it a problem, but 3 end-users I spoke to did.

Anywhere in OOo where behavior is inconsistent is a usability problem.
 Remember, our goal is to make OOo BETTER than MS Office, not "almost
as buggy as".

I will also point out that this bug has been reported more than once,
so I'm not the only person to notice it.

Anywhere in Calc where MS Excel does a better job than us of usability
is something to look hard at, not something to dismiss as "us folks in
Hamburg don't have a problem with this."  Of course YOU don't find it
confusing; YOU programmed it!

If you're swamped with little bugs like this, then fine, put it in the
holding list.   But don't dismiss a serious usability issue as
non-existant just because you don't personally care.

-Josh
Comment 8 falko.tesch 2003-10-27 16:50:25 UTC
Well I have not programmed it.
And yes, there hase been ONE marked duplicate.
But I do not see ANY votes here. Apart from (if you like it or not!)
the behaviour of MS Office is what have to aim on.
We must make transition/migration easy for those willing to switch.
And they get the top priority....

Whether Quattro Pro nor Excel bahecve they way you want to have it. 
Comment 9 josh 2003-11-04 17:56:19 UTC
Falko,

I checked ... MS Excel 97 does *not* allow manual line breaks in cells
*at all*.   I have been unable to borrow a copy of 2000 or XP to test.  

If manual line breaks is a feature that Calc has and Excel doesn't
have, then your argument about compatibility is moot.   

However, the lack of votes for the issue is still a valid objection.

Please comment.  Thanks!
-Josh

Comment 10 frank 2004-04-22 13:26:27 UTC
*** Issue 28228 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 11 norbert2 2004-04-22 18:23:17 UTC
I agree agliodbs.

This is why I have entered Issue 28228, that has been marked as duplictae of
this issue.
Comment 12 falko.tesch 2004-04-23 09:16:16 UTC
FT: I am sorry, I wrongly closed this issue due to misunderstanding:
What I propose:
Enable line break also in edit line mode. Do it visually by entending the edit
line to the down direction (for similar behaviour look at MS Excel XP)
Comment 13 falko.tesch 2004-04-23 09:17:04 UTC
FT: Changed target and owner
Comment 14 frank 2004-06-02 10:46:44 UTC
*** Issue 29500 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 15 claudiadzm 2004-12-02 11:25:23 UTC
May be I'm wrong adding the following to this issue, but there are certain
relations:
It should be possible to insert a manual line break by functions, to use it f.e.
within a string that ist built by CONCATENATE()
Claudia
Comment 16 frank 2005-01-14 12:30:42 UTC
*** Issue 40651 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 17 peschtra 2005-02-06 04:57:13 UTC
This is a duplicate of 13870 which was marked as WON'T FIX. So I would assume
that this won't be fixed either.

Marking as a duplicate.

*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 13870 ***
Comment 18 claudiadzm 2006-07-11 12:07:29 UTC
Created attachment 37655 [details]
line breaks in formulas
Comment 19 ace_dent 2008-05-17 21:54:58 UTC
The Issue you raised has been marked as 'Resolved' and not updated within the
last 1 year+. I am therefore setting this issue to 'Verified' as the first step
towards Closing it. If you feel this is incorrect, please re-open the issue and
add any comments.

Many thanks,
Andrew
 
Cleaning-up and Closing old Issues
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Comment 20 ace_dent 2008-05-18 00:00:07 UTC
As per previous posting: Verified -> Closed.
A Closed Issue is a Happy Issue (TM).

Regards,
Andrew