Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Issue 6506
Insist on reopening "resolved" issue: Incorrect paragraph deletion (was 6452)
Last modified: 2003-10-08 12:47:34 UTC
The problem was: that if you place cursor on the empty paragraph and press <Del>, it will be deleted, but the next paragraph will take the formatting from the deleted one. This issue was resolved as INVALID (see additional comments from cmc@OOo below). I nevertheless insist on reopening the issue, because, in my opinion, cmc@OOo missed an important point: the keywords in the issue were actually EMPTY PARAGRAPH. That is, if I delete an empty paragraph, I NEVER mean to merge it with the next one or distribute further its formatting. All I want is to delete it completely. However, if I place the cursor at the end of a non-empty para and press <Del>, I obviously wish to merge the two paras, and here the comments below are perfectly applicable. Deletion in MS Word works exactly this way: <Del> at the end of a non-empty para causes merging, and <Del> at the end of an empty para causes deletion. Thank you for your attention. > ------- Additional Comments From cmc@openoffice.org 2002-07-22 02:13 PDT ---- --- > This is meant to happen. If you are at the end of the first (empty or > not) para and delete forwards the following paragraph is joined with > the current one and the whole lot gets the same style as the current > para style under the cursor, if instead you delete backwards from the > beginning of the second para the prev para gets joined with the > current para and the style as originally under the cursor is applied > to the whole lot. > > You are making two paragraphs into one paragraph, and a paragraph can > logically only have one para style so the new para has to have the > style of one or the other style. Position your cursor at the start of > the second paragraph, use backspace, and you will join the two > paragraphs together and retain the style of the currently second > paragraph in the new paragraph
*** Issue 6519 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
*** Issue 6452 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
cmc->ft: This is an enhancement request to handle deleting an empty paragraph (i.e. joining an empty paragraph to a nonempty one) differently so as to behave the same as msword does in that case.
A little word to the term "insist". I don't believe, anyone is charmed of being confronted with such terms. I personally would ignore such requests. I did verify the behaviour with msword97. I found that the format of the second paragraph is lost regardless using DEL or BKSP. But that isn't the issue. Indeed it is a good thing that openoffice allows for format merging in the desired "direction". Nevertheless, I believe most users treat the current behaviour on empty lines as confusing and unhandy. Of course, openoffice.org may treat this issue as invalid. But at the risk of less acceptance by word users willing to swap to openoffice. And then we're talking about the chances of openoffice to attack the ms dominance. Perhaps the following is a good compromise: Add an option entry for the user letting him activate a special case 'DEL' handling when deleting an empty line/paragraph. Of course, with ms-swappers in mind this checkbox should be default on (experienced openoffice users will still find the checkbox easily when they want it off).
Yes, the term "insist" wasn't really good, I agree, and I'm sorry for that. Just the inertion from the disputes with my editor :)
I want to support this issue. I am lodging issues raised by an internal report on moving from word -> Open office writer. This issue seems closest to the issue raised by the report. From the report: (d) Format in previous marker: Format for a paragraph appears to be associated with the carriage return of the previous paragraph. This is counter intuitive. It also makes selecting, cutting and pasting a paragraph more difficult than it ought to be. For example, to select a paragraph one needs to actually start at the end of the previous paragraph. To paste properly this means the cursor must be located before the end marker of the previous paragraph to where the text is to be inserted (counter-intuitive). To select the paragraph marker at the end of the paragraph one needs to flow the selection over to part of the following paragraph. Brendan
Set to "NEW"
*** Issue 10972 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Thanks for giving this issue consideration. Users interested in this issue might want to look at issue 11901. It relates a similar problem. I suggest the root cause of both issues, 6506 and 11901, might be the same. In issue 11901, unwanted paragraph merging also occurs.
*** Issue 12668 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Please put your cursor in front of the next paragraph and than press BACKSPACE. This gives you the behaviour you want. We will not change the current behaviour.
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