Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Issue 60040
British English version not listed for download
Last modified: 2010-04-16 16:25:14 UTC
The British English version of OOo 2.0 is not listed on the web site for download. When I go to the download page I am offered numerous different languages, but not en-GB. Please add it to the list of localised versions for download. The en-GB version can be obtained from here: http://oootranslation.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/2.0.0rc2/ or here: ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/ The en-GB build has been through a full qa process (not every milestone but the 2.0.2 cadidate will be put through again). Please add the en-GB language to the web site. It was one of the first available and yet it is still not accessible through the web site. The availability was announced to l10n and releases mail lists in time for relevant release milestones. Thanks David.
Confirmed. However, we are at 2.0.1 now.
Hang about, this is a P1. To quote the documentation: P1 marks extremely severe problems. There's rarely anything which really qualifies as P1 issue! --- For more info please press the "Priority" link next to the priority selection list box. Setting to P4 as this refers to an old version which has now been replaced with 2.0.1 Changing to "task". I'm leving as confirmed as some people may want to download an older version than is current. It also looks like there are 2.0.1 binaries at the oootranslation link.
There should be 2.0.1 binaries and 2.0.2 when it is released shortly. The en-GB translation is completely up-to-date and AFAIK all relevant updates have been submitted as required. Thanks
I've made a post to the releases list. Hopefully someone will have a look at this issue shortly.
Nobody has, so I've tried the distro-dev list.
While I may get shouted at for this, I'm reassigning to st. I think he deals with the download pages.
Greetings, We would be glad to see the page located at http://l10n.openoffice.org/download/en-GB.html We can provide a template and guide you through the initial setup. Dan, Alex, could you maintain the page then? Thanks, Stefan
I would be happy to point to a well maintained page. Please understand that I have to close the issue as WONTFIX otherwise.
Wow there hold on! Are you saying that you folk are not prepared to add en-GB to the list of languanges for downloading? Steady on, we have a localisation team that has gone to the trouble of localising the product and you are not willing to provide a download link? How do other languages get added to the download page? If all you need is someone to maintain a page of HTML I'm sure we could find someone within the localisation team - but remember we are a localisation team not a web maintenance team. Please don't close this as WONTFIX!!!! David.
Hi again, I was acting as a member of the qa team for this issue. I don't have any links with the en-GB team, apart from being British myself. I think what Stefan is suggesting is a special English download page for British English, but what David has requested is the British English version to be added to the current download pages at http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.1/index.html. It is important to point out here that British can understand American English (and Americans can understand British English), but people choose the British version out of preference. I.e. color --> colour. This means that a special download page *just* for British English is not required on the grounds of "people will not be able to download as they can't understand the standard (http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.1/index.html) download page". However, if a special page is required by policy to get the en-GB version on the http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.1/index.html download page, or it would just make things easier in the long run, then this should be done. If someone is required to maintain a special British English download page, then I would volunteer to help maintain it, if this is the only way to get it listed properly, although as mentioned before I am not (currently) a member of the British English internationalisation team. May I also make the separate suggestion that the British English version be added to the standard mirror network, to make things easier, and at least get it on three UK mirrors. However if this is a separate issue, then it should be filed as such. Thanks.
If I go to www.openoffice.org there is nice big green button "download OpenOffice.org". If I click this button I am taken to a generic download page on which I can select which language and OS I want to download. Selecting a language (or English and platform) takes me to a second generic download page. This second page is identical for all languages I tried. At the bottom of this page is a button that says "download". If I click this button and I've selected English the download starts immediately. If I have selected a different language then I am taken to the localisation page. Surely the correct thing is that if I've selected en-GB or en-US (or other flavours of English in the future) when I click "download", the relevant version should immediately start downloading exactly as for en-US. I see no need for another page in between! I see no need to treat en-US and en-GB any differently. Surely this is not a problem? Obviously the en-GB version needs to be on the mirrors. We have advised the releases team of its availability (months ago). I'm only involved in localisation so I don't understand the details of how releases move through the system into distribution. All I know is that we announced its availability along with OOo 2.0 beta and it is still not yet available through the web site. As skoorb mentioned en-GB is chosen by people out of preference. This is particularly important as OOo moves into trials in UK schools, and it is also important to some international organisations trialling alternatives to MSOffice (they use British English as standard). David.
uhm. actually the point is to create a space listing brit english (or whatever language lacking a NLC project) that, say, you, would maintain. Right now, we have a set of more or less orphaned languages, that is languages without projects. These may not actually benefit from having a project but would from having a website destination. One example is British English; another could be Canadian (I live in Canada). Another is Swedish. Swedish does have an NLC, but it is not really maintained. Other languages could be the Southern African ones. As to being on the mirrors, I'm for it, but then we have to make sure that only qualified releases/builds make it there, yes? Does this clarify things? louis
Sorry, what is an NLC? Actually British English is neither orphaned nor unmaintained. In fact it is actively being maintained and we have current milestone builds available and up-to-date with all GUI, help, extras and other bits translated. I personally put the 2.0 beta en-GB build through the QA process and we can repeat that for any subsequent releases. Some time ago I took a poll of the contributors and reviewers to see whether we wanted a separate set of national language web pages - the answer was "It's not necessary given that the main web site is in English." So, what is the problem? Are you telling me that we *have* to register a national language project before you will consider it? If so fine we'll do it, but we felt it unecessary for the reasons above. So given that en-GB *is* fully up-to-date and actively maintained what's the problem? David.
Dwayne, NLC is the Native Language Confederation. You know, the group we've been asking you to form a project with? :-) You are also misreading what I write, alas. I meant that the OOo *webpage* is not maintained. This will give you the ability to so maintain it. I am hardly suggesting that the *build* is not maintained. Is that clearer? We are not interested in making your life (or anyone's) more difficult. The opposite. I am interested in particular in ensuring that webpages on OOo are adequately maintained.... louis
Louis, the comments were written by me, David - en-GB project lead, and not Dwayne. Back to the point: Would someone please pick up this issue and add en-GB to the download page and links? Thanks David.
David, please have a look how the form works for languages like German, French, ... For those locales the form does not refer to installation files but to a page speficic for the locale. We like to take the same approach for en-GB and add an entry "English (GB)" that guides the user to a download page at http://l10n.openoffice.org/download/en-GB.html I think in terms of release maintenance en-GB is closer to these languages then to en-US. A description about the steps to publish a localized builds is at http://qa.openoffice.org/localized/ Please point to the builds that have been tested in a separate issue. The website project is working to improve the download pages. For now I would recommend we go ahead and a) create a template download page for en-GB in the l10n project b) guide dwb and/or skoorb through th epreparation for the page maintenance c) publish the en-GB build to the mirror network d) update the en-GB download page e) add English (GB) to the list of languages on the global download page Please indicate whether this would for you. Thanks to you and your localisation team for taking care of en-GB. Stefan
Stefan, Thank you for you positive and constructive response - it is greatly appreciated. I am happy to go with what you suggest and am willing to help out where possible. If you prefer to handle en-GB like the other languages: German, Dutch etc., that will be fine. I'd really appreciate it if skoorb is prepared to help maintain the web page for en-GB so that my focus is not drawn away from the localisation task too much. Release 2.0.2 will be fully QA'd. We are familiar with the process having run through the it for the milestone build at the 2.0beta stage. Please just instruct me what I need to do next; If we could have it up and live by the time 2.0.2 hits the servers we'll be happy. Thanks a lot David.
Sounds good; although I'm not an expert at web design, only a lowly computer science student, I’ll try to help. Alex
I took care of a) and create the page template. Alex, please have a look at the documentation about the needed setup for page editing - ssh2 and cvs. http://www.openoffice.org/scdocs/ddSSHGuide#thisguide You could send questions to dev@native-lang.openoffice.org or come back to this issue. We all went through this :-) David, would you read over the QA process for localized builds please. http://qa.openoffice.org/localized/index.html The group handling the releases of localized builds is listening at dev@qa.openoffice.org. Or come back to this issue...
I have added my public key to issue 61748. I hope I have done this right. If someone could do the necessary authorization, as the documentation mentioned my project lead needs to give authorization for me to be added. Also, I'm not sure where I stand on the JCA front, perhaps someone could advise. Thanks.
Just to confirm; I can log in to CVS successfully. Could someone point me towards some documentation for point b: "guide dwb and/or skoorb through the preparation for the page maintenance" I have a feeling there will be a relevant web page somewhere. :) Thanks again
The page http://l10n.openoffice.org/download/en-GB.html can be changed via modification of the CVS file l10n/www/download/en-GB.html So you might want to cvs co l10n/www/download/en-GB.html then change and commit with cvs commit
Hi Alex, have you had a chance to play with CVS?
Oh Sorry, I had completely forgotten to respond… even though I had done a page. There is a currently working download page at http://l10n.openoffice.org/download/en-GB.html. At the moment it only points to one mirror (ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/), because this is the only one with the full install sets that I could find. If I have made any mistakes, or missed any packages out, feel free to either let me know, or just correct the page. Thanks
Please do not make ftp.linux.cz.../devel official URL. You should QA the build and ask st to download it from there, but never point final users there. This is development area and I will remove old milestones once the final 2.0.2 is released...
The title of your page contains "SV".
Page looks fine apart from the title. 2.0 rc1 was put through the QA process and we advised the releases and l10n lists of the results. 2.0.2 will once again be put through the QA process, the work is under way at the moment, the only trouble is we don't actually know which particular build we should be QA'ing - could someone please advise? Thanks David.
Whoops, I diddn't see the SV. I don't have access to the machine with my ssh key on it atm. I'll fix it when I get home this evening if I can (6pm or later GMT). Please point me to somewhere where it can be downloaded from, as it isn't on the main mirror network. I checked against the Tier 1 server: http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/openoffice/. http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/openoffice/localized/en-GB/ is empty. I also checked oootranslation.services.openoffice.org. No install sets there either. Thanks
Sorry for the last entry - hit go too soon. The language packs for en_GB are available from: http://oootranslation.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/ So far I think only Pavel has built full installation sets for en_GB, though I may be wrong.
O.K. then. The download page now only points to the oootranslation lang packs. I also put a big message saying that they are only langpacks.
We have now completed the QA tests for the Linux version and all tests passed with the exception of saving files in the SW 3.0, SW 4.0 and SW 5.0 formats. For these tests OOo crashed. This problem has been present in all Linux versions that we've tested (including en-US) to date so I don't know whether it is a known bug. The version tested was 2.0.2 m5 (RC4 I believe) using the en-US build and the en-GB language pack since a binary build for en-GB does not exist at this stage. It was tested on both Fedora Core 1 and Gentoo systems. Testing of the Windows version under Windows 2000 is under way at present and should be complete today. Can we now have a binary build for en-GB please? How is distribution to the mirrors arranged? It would be really good to have this done at the same time as 2.0.2 is released since we have completed the translation work and been through the full suite of QA tests? Thanks David.
Testing of the Windows build for 680m5 under Windows NT 2k has been completed now with no regressions found. It is considered fit for release. The builds used are from here: ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/OOB680_m5/
Alex, With a bit of luck en-GB builds should now be available on the mirrors (for 2.0.2). Could you please update the download page appropriately? Thanks David.
I checked: ftp://mirrors.dotsrc.org/openoffice/localized/en-GB ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/misc/openoffice/localized/en-GB ftp://ftp.stardiv.de/pub/OpenOffice.org/localized/en-GB ftp://ftp.uni-muenster.de/pub/mirrors/ftp.openoffice.org/localized/en-GB ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice/localized/en-GB and ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/software/openoffice/localized/en-GB There is still nothing there... There are a few langpacks at http://oootranslation.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/2.0.2rc4/ though. I will keep checking.
The full installation sets QA'ed according to issue 62891 are now propagating to the mirrors...
I have a working download page ready for 2.0.2, but when I try to use cvs, I am getting a "/cvs: no such repository" error. Have I missed a recent change? As far as I know, I havn't changed any cvs settings here. So :pserver:skoorb@localhost:/cvs isn't working as my CVSROOT. I'm not an expert at CVS, but I can't see anything wrong with the above, could someone tell me what my CVSROOT should be? I have no problems creating the ssh tunnel, that is established before I try CVS. Thanks
Created attachment 35366 [details] The en-GB download webpage updated for 2.0.2
skoorb: can you open a new issue for your cvs issues? assign to me or ST, www/www/general website issues btw, the site will be down later on today starting at 01:00 UTC. Cheers Louis
The en-GB download page has been up for a bit now. I hope it is OK. I avoided posting a comment as soon as it went up, as I was hoping to get all my obscure CVS problems sorted first; I now have Cygwin working, but not Tortoise. I was unable to add comments to the files, as CVS kept complaining that VIM was not installed, even though it was. I think I have a solution now though. Please let me know if you find anything wrong. Thanks
en-GB builds are now appearing (since 3.1.1) on the download page as they pass QA (currently true for language packs, hopefully full install sets in future)
en-GB builds (installset & langpack) are now appearing on the download page as they pass QA. Can we close this issue now as FIXED? Cheers Stuart Swales (OOo en-GB lead)
@sswales: yes, if you think the original issue is fixed and nothing more has to be done, then feel free to set the status to "resolved fixed" and close the issue
@mla: Thanks, but as it's not my bug I can't change status or close it!
fixed
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