Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Issue 53766
OpenOffice Installation requires Administrator Privileges
Last modified: 2005-11-20 22:49:13 UTC
OpenOffice 1.1.4 can be installed on Windows machines without administrator privileges. However, the current build 1.9.m122 requires administrator privileges, which means that its use must be justified to Microsoft-oriented I. S. "professionals". This means that Windows users are likely to spark an administration turf war and/or not be allowed to install OpenOffice. While philosophically, it makes some sense to only allow Windows administrators to install software, that practice is effective only when the administrators are both competent and sensible, which unfortunately is rare. Please allow OpenOffice 2.0 to be installed by those users who do not have Windows administrator privileges. Failure to do so will prevent large numbers of Windows users from using OpenOffice.
This works as designed. It's not a defect. For the installation of fonts admin rights are required.
Not a defect.
Then why can OpenOffice 1.1.x be installed without admin privileges? Why does OpenOffice 2.0 require font installation? Can't the installation program install OpenOffice without the fonts when a user doesn't have admin privileges?
Because it's a new installer with new requirements and possibilities.
I realize that you have a lot of work to do and any new issues only add to your workload. But requiring installation by a Windows administrator will prevent large numbers of people from using OpenOffice. If font installation requires admin privileges, why can't the installation program just skip the font installation when non-admins run the installation?
But is has been decided *not* to do so. And that's why it is *not* a defect. If you think a blue gull is not what you want to see in the icons it's also not a defect because it has been decided to use these graphics. So if you think OOo should install without admin rights because it prevents users from using it, who is the user that has a PC without having admin acceess to his operating system?
First, you ask "who is the user that has a PC without having admin acceess to his operating system?". Wow. Simply asking that question tells us a lot about you. You apparently don't realize that millions of people in medium/large companies have a Windows PC on their desk but yet do not have administration privileges. And the people who have administration privileges are hostile or non-responsive about installing "non-standard" software. When OpenOffice decision makers are so amazing isolated from the real world, it isn't suprising that they make bad design decision. Second, your blue gull analogy is terrible: changing the icon does not prevent people from using OpenOffice. Requiring administration privileges precludes most people in large companies from installing OpenOffice.
Welcome to the therapist. What do you think is the reason that these people don't have administrative rights on their PCs? Because they should not install some software on their machines. If the administrative people are 'hostile' about OOo, won't the million users without admin rights get hostile if they have admin right? Is hostility boundled with administrative rights? My example is *not* about the effect to the user, it's about calling a result a 'defect'. Again: We have decided (similar to the blue gull example) that administratrive rights are needed to install OOo 2.x. And *based* on this decision OOo behaves as it does. It's not faulty programming or 'Oops forgotton' behaviour.
> What do you think is the reason that these people don't have > administrative rights on their PCs? Because they should not > install some software on their machines. The average user is given non-administrator accounts because the administrator doesn’t want to grant them the ability to do nefarious things such as adding user account, disabling virus checking, accessing files of other users, etc. Installing OpenOffice is not nefarious and the vast majority of administrators would not prohibit single-user OpenOffice installation. However, they do not want users asking the administrators to spend time installing OpenOffice, much less pestering them every 3 months to install the OpenOffice bug fixes. > We have decided (similar to the blue gull example) that > administratrive rights are needed to install OOo 2.x. And > *based* on this decision OOo behaves as it does. It's not > faulty programming or 'Oops forgotton' behaviour. Just because you made that decision does not make it a good decision. Apart from font installation, the OpenOffice installation does nothing that Windows requires admin rights. And *based* on that, the installation program should have supported non-admin installation. None of the final OpenOffice 2.0 specs posted to specs.openoffice.org prohibit the installer from supporting non-admin installation. In fact, the 22/04/04 draft of the OpenOffice 2.0 Windows Installer GUI spec clearly supports Windows non-admin installation.
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There is no valuable reason to impose the need for admin privileges, for an office suite type of software ( whe are not talking about kernel software here ) ? Why dont we have the choice to install the fonts or just the software. I dont have the admin privilige on one PC that I use and I would be happy to use oo on that PC too. The same works with firefox. It is a very bad thing to decide for the user, specifically when that decision has no impact on the PC other than preventing the use of a good product.
This bug is a dupe of #42768. Can somebody close this bug and continue on the other one? Still, I am also strongly against automatically aborting the install if the user is non-admin. The comment somebody made that non-admin inherently are not supposed to install programs is plain wrong. Non-admin users can install almost everything they need (unless it is some special system package) and use it without restrictions. Openoffice, on the other hand, seems to decide what is allowed and what isn't. Wrong, and sadly this wasn't fixed before 2.0.0 stable.
marking duplicate. There is no automatic transfer of votes or comments. You have to move your vote(s) yourself. *** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 42768 ***
closing duplicate.