Issue 3871 - Default search criteria hides important issues at crucial times.
Summary: Default search criteria hides important issues at crucial times.
Status: CLOSED NOT_AN_OOO_ISSUE
Alias: None
Product: Infrastructure
Classification: Infrastructure
Component: Bugzilla (show other issues)
Version: current
Hardware: PC Linux, all
: P3 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: lsuarezpotts
QA Contact: issues@www
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Reported: 2002-04-04 20:09 UTC by wcattey
Modified: 2017-05-20 09:42 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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Description wcattey 2002-04-04 20:09:22 UTC
Just before release 641d came out, I tried 641c and got bit by the
"Menus don't work unless you have 'click to type' set" bug.
This represented to me a very serious bug, and a show-stopper for
a site-wide installation.

When I went to open an issue about it, I was the good doobie and did a query
to see if it was a known issue.  I found issue #2943 and another issue.
The other issue, I sent a comment saying it should be labeled as a dupe of 2943.

I then sent an irate email to my local Sun / StarOffice contact about how
so terrible a bug could have been left to languish.

The Sun contact told me that the fix for that bug was, in fact, scheduled for
roll-out very soon.  (In fact it came out later that week in 641d.)

The issue that was officially tracking the bug was issue #2691.  That issue
NEVER SHOWED UP in my query!  If issue 2943 had been
correctly labeled as a duplicate of issue 2691, I might have COMPLETELY
missed the fact that this bug is known, fixed, and in-process for
deployment.

PLEASE find a way to show known and fixed problems in the default query
until the fix makes it out into the world!  Otherwise the good
development work is not properly shown to people, and people waste
effort logging reports for which the fix is already in progress.

Having worked with Red Hat, Ximian, and Mozilla with bugzilla, I was 
VERY disoriented to find that the convention they used, which I got used to,
that showed me what I needed to know, had not been adopted by OpenOffice.org.

PLEASE fix this!

I think the problem here is that "Resolved" is left out of the default
bugzilla/issuezilla query, but bugs that are FIXED everywhere except at
OpenOffice.org are left "Assigned".  Because we think in terms of ISSUES,
we change the status to "RESOLVED" when the fix is made, and the information
becomes invisible, and only after contemplating the subtle clash of conventions
does the reason become apparent.

Suggestion:

Either enable RESOLVED in the default query (easy to do)
Or get people to NOT tag something as RESOLVED until it makes it out the
door in an actual release.  (hard because people already do something different
by habit and habits are difficult t retrain.)

Thanks very much for listening,

-Bill Cattey
MIT
Comment 1 lsuarezpotts 2002-04-05 07:01:16 UTC
accepting issue. It is a prod mgt issue for collab.net.
louis
Comment 2 lsuarezpotts 2002-10-31 02:29:53 UTC
hi, support: this is a legitimate enhancement request.
Please see if we can add this to the list of enhancements.
thanks
louis
Comment 3 Unknown 2002-11-04 21:05:15 UTC
I'm not sure I understand this Louis.  When I look at the query page,
the resolved option is available.  Is there more to this request? 
Could you please elaborate as you have deemed this a "legitimate request"?
Comment 4 wcattey 2002-11-04 21:13:44 UTC
Brian:
Let me try and clarify:

Go to the search page, and search for a problem that is
"RESOLVED" but for which the fix has not yet shipped.

You have to explicitly ADD "RESOLVED" to the query.

Red Hat and Ximian are examples of uses of bugzilla where the expected
procedure is, "If the fix is not in the hands of users, the problem is
still open, and you can find it in the default query."

When people use IssueZilla, they will expect that if the problem
happens to them, and the fix has not been shipped out, that they
will find the problem, without having to carefully review the
default search query and add "RESOLVED" to it in order to see
results.
Comment 5 Unknown 2002-11-06 18:02:09 UTC
Bill - Thanks for the clarification.  I now understand your concern.  

The present method of assigning status to issues is particular to this
site.  OpenOffice and Collab have come to an agreement on how to deal
with issues that are fixed in versions yet to be released.

Ximian and Redhat do it one way, OpenOffice does it diferently.  It is
very simple to set a default query in issuezilla that you are more
comfortable with; you can use the radio button on the bottom of the
query page "remember this as they default query" which will allow you
do this.

If you are asking for OpenOffice to change their policies, that is a
question for Sun and should be assigned to issues@openoffice.org.  
This is another uniqueness of this site, issues assigned to
issues@oo.o are for the OpenOffice support team, while issues assigned
to support@oo.o are for the collabnet suport team.
Comment 6 wcattey 2002-11-06 19:33:22 UTC
Actually, that's where I brought this issue in the first place.
Here is a copy of the response I got from the person who promised
to make this an issue and direct it to where the policy change
I requested could get considered.

While I am grateful for the time you and others are taking to think
about this and other issues, the simple fact remains:

Sun and Collab have come to an agreement at odds with common practice
 the market leaders in free software.  Since April people have been 
falling into a hole created by an unintended consequence of that
agreement, and now all we have accomplished is to restate the argument
and say it belongs with someone else.

Perhaps this inability to understand is why Linux at the lead and Sun
is behind in the present market?

Give me the telephone number of the appropriate people in Sun and
Collab and I will help them understand and remedy this problem.

-wdc

Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:50:11 -0800
Subject: Re: [webmasters] Re: Possible Star Office 6 show stopper.
From: Louis Suarez-Potts <louis@collab.net>
To: <webmasters@openoffice.org>, Bill Cattey <wdc@mit.edu>,
<Sonja.Thieme@Sun.COM>
CC: <pl@openoffice.org>, <apse@mit.edu>

Bill, 

You raise a good point, of course. I have no control over it, however.
You could file issue, assign it to me, and I'll forward it to the
CollabNet
product manager. That, believe it or not, works.

Louis Suarez-Potts
Community Manager




on 3/26/02 9:34 AM, Bill Cattey at wdc@MIT.EDU wrote:

>
> 
> SUGGESTION to webmasters@openoffice.org:
> 
> I understand that the default query needs to avoid displaying issues
> that have been fully resolved.  Unfortunately in this case, the
> resolution was known, but not yet deployed.  If issue 2943 had been
> correctly labeled as a duplicate of issue 2691, I might have COMPLETELY
> missed the fact that this bug is known, fixed, and in-process for
> deployment.
> 
> PLEASE find a way to show known and fixed problems in the default query
> until the fix makes it out into the world!  Otherwise the good
> development work is not properly shown to people, and people waste
> effort logging reports for which the fix is already in progress.
> 
> -wdc
> 
Comment 7 lsuarezpotts 2002-11-12 19:58:50 UTC
Bill, 
the enhancement you suggest is meritorious and is now going through
CN's process. This process has been revamped due to the load of
enhancement requests and the desire of CN to address them (we care,
honest). I've been stressing that the IZ issues--interface, and the
one you mention below--are really important and need immediate
attention. What does this mean? It means that in the next upgrade it
stands a good chance of being resolved. 
Contact me directly for further updates and issues regaring IZ and how
it can be improved.
thanks
louis 
Comment 8 wcattey 2002-11-12 22:42:45 UTC
I am reassured to hear that there is a process, that the process has
recently been improved, and that aligning with common practices
elsewhere is an important consideration.

From Brian's comments, I was worried that the issue had gone to the
wrong place and that we had to begin anew.

-wdc
Comment 9 wcattey 2002-11-24 16:50:26 UTC
Um...
This issue is now assigned to me?

I just started getting automatically generated email saying
I'm going to get email once a day until I deal with this issue.
I THINK someone did the wrong thing, here.

Comment 10 lsuarezpotts 2002-11-25 06:30:45 UTC
Bill,  in cases like this, just reassign it back. The convention is
that the person who filed it is reassigned the issue to make comments,
approve plans, etc.; but then he can reassign it.
taking it from you.
louis 
Comment 11 lsuarezpotts 2003-03-26 07:05:28 UTC
closing with a later
the update planned for later this year addresses this problem
-louis