Issue 26065 - Misplaced hebrew diacritics. WAS: Really, really bad kerning seems to emanate from OO, not the font (Hebrew)
Summary: Misplaced hebrew diacritics. WAS: Really, really bad kerning seems to emanate...
Status: CLOSED DUPLICATE of issue 14069
Alias: None
Product: gsl
Classification: Code
Component: code (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.1
Hardware: Other All
: P4 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: OOo 2.0
Assignee: hdu@apache.org
QA Contact: issues@gsl
URL:
Keywords: oooqa
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2004-03-03 04:27 UTC by goerwitz
Modified: 2005-02-21 17:08 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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Developer Difficulty: ---


Attachments
File with Hebrew word that illustrates bad kerning (5.60 KB, application/vnd.sun.xml.writer)
2004-03-03 04:28 UTC, goerwitz
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Hebrew true type font with diacritics (to demo OO's seeming kerning problems) (126.32 KB, text/plain)
2004-03-03 04:37 UTC, goerwitz
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Diagram showing how Hebrew script works (focusing on the first letter of the Bible) (22.43 KB, image/png)
2004-03-07 03:55 UTC, goerwitz
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fixed hebrew diacritics (?) (42.06 KB, image/png)
2004-06-09 17:26 UTC, ulf.stroehler
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Description goerwitz 2004-03-03 04:27:26 UTC
I'm attaching a document that illustrates how OO handles Hebrew diacritics,
which seems to be not very well.  I'm not an expert, but the problem seems to
emanate from OO, not the font itself, which is just a standard ttf that works
fine in Word/Windows.
Comment 1 goerwitz 2004-03-03 04:28:28 UTC
Created attachment 13542 [details]
File with Hebrew word that illustrates bad kerning
Comment 2 goerwitz 2004-03-03 04:37:50 UTC
Created attachment 13543 [details]
Hebrew true type font with diacritics (to demo OO's seeming kerning problems)
Comment 3 michael.ruess 2004-03-03 08:49:20 UTC
MRU->US: please have a look.
Comment 4 lohmaier 2004-03-07 01:15:53 UTC
Is this another "weak character problem" (issue 18024)? - this has caused
spacing problems with polytonic greek as well (see issue 21290) so maybe this is
related?
But since I don't know hebrew, I add sforbes to cc...
Comment 5 goerwitz 2004-03-07 03:40:26 UTC
The issues with classical or biblical Hebrew will be similar to those of
polytonic Greek.  In both cases, you have multiple diacritics often being
applied to the same basic letter form.  In the case of biblical (or any
diacritized) Hebrew, though, the problem is compounded because

  1) You have a base consonantal alphabet
  2) You then have vowels added as diacritics
  3) You then have 'accents' acced over and above the vowel diacritics
  4) There are often multiple diacritics per letter

It's not phenomenally complex.  But you do have to handle information in the
fonts well to get things right.
Comment 6 goerwitz 2004-03-07 03:53:41 UTC
I don't want work on this restricted to people who know Hebrew, so let me offer
a diagram of how the script system works.  Note that it's right to left so the
first character in the diagram (which I'm attaching right after I submit this
update) is actually at the far right.

When you load the diagram, you'll be looking at the first word in the Bible, 'in
the beginning' (or actually, translated literally, 'in beginning' or perhaps 'in
the beginning of').
Comment 7 goerwitz 2004-03-07 03:55:05 UTC
Created attachment 13610 [details]
Diagram showing how Hebrew script works (focusing on the first letter of the Bible)
Comment 8 ulf.stroehler 2004-06-08 15:54:03 UTC
Duplicate to issue 28576.

*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 28576 ***
Comment 9 ulf.stroehler 2004-06-08 15:54:48 UTC
Closing dupe.
Comment 10 ulf.stroehler 2004-06-09 17:18:00 UTC
Not absolute shure whether issue 28576 also fixed this one completely.
Could anyone else pls. cross check. At least when integrated in the next 680s
snapshot. Thx.
@goerwitz: or could you pls. check the screenshot taken from the childworkspace
containing the fix. Does the following screenshot display your bugdoc correct?
Comment 11 ulf.stroehler 2004-06-09 17:26:50 UTC
Created attachment 15781 [details]
fixed hebrew diacritics (?)
Comment 12 sforbes 2004-06-09 18:14:33 UTC
>fixed hebrew diacritics

The hiriq under the tav seems to be in the wrong location (it should be
centered, not under the left stem).
Comment 13 sforbes 2004-06-09 18:15:10 UTC
The same goes for the qamatz under the bet.
Comment 14 ulf.stroehler 2004-06-10 10:30:49 UTC
Thanks Soshanna for the input.
Thus I'm loosen the duplicate flag.
Comment 15 ulf.stroehler 2004-06-10 10:40:22 UTC
HDU, can you pls. look for the diacritic problem issued in this task. Thx.
Comment 16 raik 2004-06-14 19:00:07 UTC
May be the Problem is the font. I changed your Font to the free SBL-Hebrew 
Font. Now the hebrew word looks nice!
Comment 17 goerwitz 2004-06-15 14:45:20 UTC
When I shift to the free SBL Hebrew font I get basically the same result as
before (misplaced diacritics).  I'm using a straight oowriter executable
(OpenOffice 1.1.0) running off a Fedora Core 1 RPM.
Comment 18 sforbes 2004-06-15 22:57:08 UTC
>running off a Fedora Core 1 RPM

Then this is  a dup of issue #14069

Why was this filed under "other/all" and not under linux?



*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 14069 ***
Comment 19 hdu@apache.org 2005-02-21 17:08:57 UTC
Closing duplicate