Issue 20837 - Ellipsis in menu items not consistently used
Summary: Ellipsis in menu items not consistently used
Status: CLOSED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: ui
Classification: Code
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.1
Hardware: PC All
: P3 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: AOO PleaseHelp
Assignee: e.matthis
QA Contact: issues@ui
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Keywords:
: 20838 20839 20840 20841 (view as issue list)
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Blocks: 20159
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Reported: 2003-10-07 15:22 UTC by simonbr
Modified: 2004-08-12 12:51 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
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Description simonbr 2003-10-07 15:27:14 UTC
The guideline for adding an ellipsis (...) to a menu item name appears to be 
that it should be added when the menu selection is followed by a dialog.
This rule is not consistently applied. Examples (Writer):

File -> New -> Presentation
File -> New -> Labels
File -> New -> Business Cards
File -> New -> Presentation
File -> New -> Templates and Documents
Insert -> Hyperlink
Help -> Contents
Comment 1 stefan.baltzer 2003-10-07 16:55:34 UTC
*** Issue 20838 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 2 stefan.baltzer 2003-10-07 16:56:48 UTC
*** Issue 20839 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 3 stefan.baltzer 2003-10-07 16:56:49 UTC
*** Issue 20840 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 4 stefan.baltzer 2003-10-07 16:59:26 UTC
SBA: Reassigned to Thorsten.
Comment 5 simonbr 2003-10-07 19:04:31 UTC
Sorry about posting more than once. It looked like the server had not 
processed the data.
Comment 6 thorsten.martens 2003-10-15 13:52:28 UTC
TM->MMP: As talked to CD, this is not a defect but a wish for an
enhancement. Please have a look. Thanks !
Comment 7 matthias.mueller-prove 2003-10-20 17:01:04 UTC
The guideline is 1) a little different and 2) not quite clear. Quoted
from Java Loog and Feel Design Guidlines p.178
[http://java.sun.com/products/jlf/ed2/book/HIG.Menus.html#36226]:

>>>If a menu item does not fully specify a command and users need a
dialog box to finish the specification, use an ellipsis after the menu
item. For example, after choosing Save AsÂ…, users are presented with a
file chooser to specify a file name and location.
Do not use an ellipsis mark simply to indicate that a secondary or
utility window will appear. For example, choosing Preferences displays
a dialog box; because that display is the entire effect of the
command, however, Preferences is not followed by an ellipsis. <<<

On your examples:
File -> New -> Presentation
This might open a wizard. OOo does not know if this wizard is in fact
used so we show no ellipses.

File -> New -> Labels
Yes. The Labels dialog is even modal. I suggest to use ellipses.

File -> New -> Business Cards
Yes. Same as Labels. I suggest to use ellipses.

File -> New -> Templates and Documents
Yes. A modal dialog that needs more user input to actually create a
new document. I suggest to use ellipses.

Insert -> Hyperlink
Yes. Although this command just opens a nonmodal dialog. The user has
to enter data to actually create a hyperlink. (Same as Edit menu: Find
and Replace. There is an ellipses, too.) 

Help -> Contents
No. Help Contents opens the help window. Done. This is covered by the
Java L&F guideline above.

Comment 8 e.matthis 2003-10-23 09:53:07 UTC
On my to do list.
Comment 9 e.matthis 2004-05-24 14:33:45 UTC
The cases will be dealt with in the menu terminology spec. Creating dependency
to issue 20159
Comment 10 Martin Hollmichel 2004-08-09 14:06:54 UTC
according to http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=releases&msgNo=7690
this issue will be set to OOoLater
Comment 11 e.matthis 2004-08-12 12:51:00 UTC
As almost all menus were completely redone for OO.o 2.0, setting this issue to
fixed. (The ellipses was in correspondence with other individual feature
tasks/issues, so there is no one spec to use to test this issue.)
Comment 12 e.matthis 2004-08-12 12:51:33 UTC
Not all menu items are visible in builds. If after the OO.o 2.0 Beta is released
there are any ellipses errors, please file a new issue specifically quoting each
menu item that is erroneous. Then any remaining errors can be fixed easily.