How about what I started two weeks ago? It's not particularly clean
but I did ask for feedback on what to do next. NO REPLIES!! See
http://pathtech.org/openoffice/ 

I think this is a start and the bad link have mostly been corrected or
dropped.

hi
I was away at the time. I'll look it over. thanks,
louis

On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 12:45 PM, G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
Any feedback on my sitemap? I am willing to refine it.

I provided a fair amount of feedback on the map to this list. to
summarize, I liked the list but I would prefer, for usability, a map
that is logical and thematic rather than linear and comprehensive.

Thus:
User Links
    General information
    How-tos
    Documentation
    Participation

Developer
    General
    SDK
    Etc.
For developer we can use Erwin's developer page, website.ooo/developer/

for the user, it's not just a map of www/www project, which I can
easily create using source browsing; it is rather a map of useful
objects in the OOo domain.  I think using google would be one way of
doing this, too; I also have, by now, many useful links. they just
need to be organized.

(for google on Ooo see http://support.openoffice.org/search.html)

-louis

Created attachment 8317 [details]
OOo Help Outline

I just attached a copy of an outline of help links that I assembled in
Writer geared toward the general user.  Feel free to use it if you
wish and feel free to modify it in any way that you wish.  I have been
maintaining an html copy that I have posted on my website, and it is
starting to get some decent traffic, but I wonder if that is bothering
my service provider...they are watching my stats now.  I can see their
logins.  I will help work to modify it to your liking too, if you
wish, as a small chunk of your work at hand.  Please let me know if or
how I can help.

Ger,
closer to my vision but it's a little chaotic; less is better than more.
Ideally, we should have a table with some key links, eg,
Users 
 How-tos
 Guides
 Templates

etc.
the problem is that we also have, of course, many languages; each lang project is 
charged with managing its own relative site, as are the other virtual hosts (eg, api).   
But what we really don't need much of is the map of the www project, which is 
obtainable here, http://www.openoffice.org/source/browse/www/www/ but which is 
also rather opaque.  

Rather, a simple key to the most accessed files regardless of location. they are:
Downloads, dictionaries, documentation, installation files; general project 
information such as about, introduction, contributing.  For developers, it's easier; we 
can use website.openoffice.org/developer as a starting point.  See, then, the 
introduction page (http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/introduction.html, the 
documentation page, http://www.openoffice.org/documentation.openoffice.org for 
some useful links).  I can also compile a rough sketch of what I further mean, if I'm 
sounding incoherent here.
:)
thanks
Louis

 
  

Just to keep everyone up-to-date, I am reorganizing my orignal in the
manner you first outlined. With Diane's contribution I see that there
are other off-site link that should be included too. Please watch
http://pathtech.org/openoffice/ for changes. The important link is the
one attributed to Louis.

As I have been working today, it would seem to me that we need some
top level consilidation. For example, the native language projects
really should have a launching page rather than employing the
individual first level links now provided. This would make the sitemap
cum bibliography easier to manage and allow OO.org to advertize ALL
the working language implementations in one place. There are likely
other candidates for this type of consolidation. I am proceeding on
the assumption that this is acceptable. I am also continuing to employ
description text with each entry. You may, course look, but please add
to the issue comments rather than directly to me, please.

If you wish we can take this idea into personal emails and see where
it leads.

I would appreciate some comments now. The page is nowhere complete but
it is in the form needed and I would like to get lists of links that
are possibly rare and/or esoteric that might belong. I would also like
some ideas on how we could handle the native language projects. I
suggested a consolidating page but no one has responded.

ger,
please send a link to dev@website; you might also include dev@marketing, and 
dev@support.
They are the ones who really need to see this.  adding cph.
louis

There is a link for OOoDocs which connects here:
http://ooodocs.sourceforge.net/

I like how the site map is starting to look.  It's becoming well
organized, and is much easier to read than it was at first.  

I like to see the native language links and resources grouped
together.  They were not grouped together in the first version, and
that seemed to make it hard to find them, because there appeared to be
no logical organization.  But, I also speak only English, and may not
be the best person to judge how they might be organized.  I use them
to guide folks to them.  For me, when they are all together, they are
easier for me to find.  It also accentuates all the languages that are
covered this way.

None of the links to Melissa's Thesaurus seem good right now.

Will you please change my name from Mack to Mackay in your title link?
 Or consider moving my name from your link title altogether?  I do not
 like seeing my name written incorrectly, especially when it is
assigned to a piece of my work.  :)

Unless someone goes looking for this issue, it's unlikely anyone other
than a select few will ever see it. Nonetheless I have made the
correction you requested. Sorry but I didn't know about your last name
being mackay from your email address mackmoon@<whereever>. I thank you
for the collection, I had about half of what you collected and I am
using yours to flesh out the page.

About the melissa links, they work fine for me. Probably a local
problem with your browser or dns.

I asked for a single page from which to access the native-lang stuff.
Having one would make it easy to maintain this page whilst the native
lang people could help maintain the launchpad page. Since my original
search of the site gave a large number of these I think I try to build
an example.

About broadcasting the address. I would prefer to keep the number of
visitors low at my end. So could I impose on the cc people on this
list to let a few others know so my system is not swampped? I intend
to upload/cvs this at first opportunity so I see little advantage to a
bradcast at this time.

Thank you for correcting my name.  I don't care so much about other
folks, I cared more about how it made me feel when I saw it.  Sorry
for the inconvenience to you.  I appreciate the update.  Thank you again.

The Melissa links still do not work for me.  I can see the top page
that is linked to your page, but I cannot open nor download the files
on it.  My browser is Mozilla 1.2.1, and I do not believe it is my
service provider.  Did you try to click on the links in the page also?
 I get this url when I click on them:
http://www.math.umd.edu/~dcarrera/Theasaurus.pdf or if I right click
on them to "save link target as...", I get a pop up box that says,
"The link could not be saved. The web page might have been removed or
had its name changed."

Kind Regards,
Diane

I have commented out dcarrerra's stuff. Schools out or maybe
graduated. I'll see if there are other sources

Greetings,

I am just starting to understand the JCA a bit better, and I wonder if
my file attached here is not legitimate for use.  I do not know if
links to other helpful sites falls under this JCA or not.  But if they
do, then it should be up to the creators of those documents to which I
have linked, as to whether or not the links become part of the OOo
site.  I am flagging you of this, because I am not fully aware of how
it works, as far as links go, and I may have erred. If you have used
links from the page I created in other places on the site, that are
not OOo site links, maybe it is best for OOo/Sun, and the owner of the
information to decide if they should be linked to the OOo site.  My
original JCA has not yet been sent, and I am  now debating if I will
send it, if only to protect others in this file I attached.  I am
posting this here, because I want you aware of what may be a mistake
on my part.  I hope you will be responsible with/for the links if you
use them, and please educate me, so that I can understand better, and
contribute better.  Please forgive me for this error, if it is one.

Diane

I think I have got something close to what everyone wants. I would
appreciate it if everyone attached to this issue would please have a
peek see (http://pathtech.org/openoffice/sitemap_lsp.html) If you have
a pet project or link that you want included, please let me know
soonest. I would like to put the page into CSS format before uploading it.

adding ST
louis

Redo CC list

uh?
louis

Is there a problem changing my email address in the cclist?

well, it only uses OOo addresses. You need to change your address via the update 
profile button on your start page.
louis

I am trying to bring the page into the style that I see with the main
page. Unfortunately, I need some help with preparing to use style.css.
Docs and/or hand-holding would be appreciated.

Ger,
you can use local style calls which I can then add to the master styel.css page, which 
is here, http://look.openoffice.org/master/style.css

The same address should obtain, with some mods, in the upgrade. 

more specifically, what help do you need? 
louis

I'm looking for a sample html file that has not been rendered and
meets the standard. I'm not certain how to use the styles wrt the site
and would like to see something unprocessed by my browser. Can I get
this from the testbed? Confused :-)

The follwoing link appeared in my mailbox:
http://website.openoffice.org/tryouts/misc/sitemap.html

If this meets all criteria, I recommend that we use it.

as mentioned on the list, I was working on the same thing (using same model) as John 
;and posted it about the same time :)
I'd like some developer information to be also included, see http://
website.openoffice.org/developer/
and perhaps use a version of what I proposed, http://website.openoffice.org/tryouts/
misc/sitemap-lsp.html by adding just the category, 'developer'

the idea again is to point to files that are on and not Ooo; most of the pages are static 
as such and project owners add their own.
louis

Created attachment 8820 [details]
Gerry's sitemap (replace resource section?)

Rebranding has made this effort redundant. I suggest that the content
of the attached sitemap_grs.html file be used to replace and/or
suppliment the existing resource section. I believe its content will
address various comments made on the [2c26] mailing list.

hi, ger, 
I agree with you.  Let's try the map out in practice ;)
louis

Ger,
I agree with your comment that we should use John McCreesh's sitemap at  http://
website.openoffice.org/tryouts/misc/sitemap.html . I'd like to move ahead with John's  
and merge the work you have done in finding links, etc., with his.  We can have an 
increasing Resource section--but it may confuse people (which to use? site or 
resource). But, ideally, the Resource section could replace www/www/
documentation.html

Adding John to cc list.

if all are in agreement, once John's map is finished, I suggest we link to it from the 
homepage, move it to www/www/sitemap.html and inform the support project.

I've had no more comments on the page for some time, so as far as I'm
concerned it is in a finished state and may be put 'live' at any time.

John

accepting.
louis

closing; will update website index.
louis

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