Issue 122359 - Non-breaking spaces shown when nonprinting characters is off
Summary: Non-breaking spaces shown when nonprinting characters is off
Status: CLOSED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: formatting (show other issues)
Version: 4.0.0-dev
Hardware: All All
: P3 Minor (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Keywords: needmoreinfo
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Blocks:
 
Reported: 2013-05-22 02:42 UTC by Justin
Modified: 2017-05-20 10:35 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
Latest Confirmation in: ---
Developer Difficulty: ---


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Attachment showing the issue in OO vs Word (38.07 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2013-05-22 14:47 UTC, Justin
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Description Justin 2013-05-22 02:42:58 UTC
When "Non-printing characters" is not selected, non breaking spaces should not show up as a gray box.  They should only show up when the non-printing characters are selected to be visible.
Comment 1 Rainer Bielefeld 2013-05-22 04:46:20 UTC
In menu 'Tools -> Options - OpenOffice Writer/OpenOffice -> Formatting Aids - Display of' you can uncheck visibility for Non-breaking spaces.

So INVALID

@Justin
Please feel free to reopen the Bug if I misunderstood intention of your report.
Comment 2 Justin 2013-05-22 12:07:43 UTC
"Non printing characters" should not be visible when the non-printing characters is toggled off.  

The selection in the preferences is regarding whether a non-printing character will show up when non-printing characters item on the toolbar is toggled ON.  Please look at how the other symbols, like paragraph breaks behave.
Comment 3 Rainer Bielefeld 2013-05-22 14:12:58 UTC
That dialog indeed is a little inconsistent and worrying, because the list contains nonprinting characters, fields and worked in field shadings for a particular class of special characters. That should be straightened up. But I don't think that we have a bug.


@Justin:
It would help much if you could add some reasoning (please cite Help, norms, ...) why you expect that shading of Nonbreaking Space, Custom Hyphen should be switched off with nonprinting characters under particular circumstances

Please also see
"Bug 122369 - Sort list items in menu 'Tools - Options - Writer - Formatting Aids - Display of'"
"Bug 122371 - Incorrect Help: 'Tools - Options - Writer - Formatting Aids - Display of'"
Comment 4 Justin 2013-05-22 14:34:40 UTC
The reasoning is that if we have shading shown when non printing characters is off, you would expect the shading to print.  Also it is cleaner when writing a document to be able to see WYSIWYG until you toggle Non-printing characters to show.  

Finally, This is the behavior of MS Word. I feel they are doing it correctly in this case.
Comment 5 Justin 2013-05-22 14:47:43 UTC
Created attachment 80719 [details]
Attachment showing the issue in OO vs Word

The attachment shows what I feel is an error in implementation (ie bug) and an approach MS Word takes that I feel is cleaner and gets out of the writer's way.
Comment 6 Ariel Constenla-Haile 2013-05-22 15:07:27 UTC
It seems that the visibility of all formatting marks that you can insert via "Insert" - "Formatting Mark":

Non-breaking space
Non-breaking hyphen
Optional hyphen

is controlled by "View" - "Field Shadings".

And in fact, field shading is on despite of "View" - "Nonprinting Characters" being off.

This request can be resumed as: Formatting Mark's shading should depend on "View" - "Nonprinting Characters"
Comment 7 Rainer Bielefeld 2013-05-22 15:28:46 UTC
> you would expect the shading to print

Definitively not. Or does anyone expect that Paragraph ends will be printed because they are visible on screen?

For me the current behavior is plausible, a change to the WORD way would decrease usability for me (but of course that's my personal point of viewing). 

There are some good reasons for separation of <control+f8>, <control+f9>, <control+f10>. Please consider that <control+f8> also affects lots of fields. In my working world Field shading visibility is something completely different from NopC visibility, and I doubt that the request will get much (any?) approval.
Comment 8 Edwin Sharp 2014-03-31 18:57:26 UTC
Tools - Options... - OpenOffice Writer - Formatting Aids - Display of Non-breaking spaces works.
AOO410m14(Build:9760)  -  Rev. 1582709
2014-03-30_04:11:07 - Rev. 1583103
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