Issue 110522 - Add qcv-ES for Catalan Valencian UI l10n
Summary: Add qcv-ES for Catalan Valencian UI l10n
Status: CLOSED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Internationalization
Classification: Code
Component: i18npool (show other issues)
Version: current
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: ooo
QA Contact: issues@l10n
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Reported: 2010-03-31 12:26 UTC by ooo
Modified: 2013-08-07 15:02 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
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Description ooo 2010-03-31 12:26:06 UTC
The Catalan Valencian UI l10n wants to use qcv-ES as ISO codes.
Note: 'qcv' is a "Reserved for local use" ISO 639-3 code.
Comment 1 ooo 2010-03-31 12:26:59 UTC
Doing in CWS OOO321l10n.
Comment 2 jesus 2010-03-31 12:56:58 UTC
@er: please, take into account that SIL officially rejected the use of "qvc_ES" for Valencian as I said in the 
mailing list. In a private build, everybody can do whatever they want, but I would wait until #109846 is 
implemented to incorporate Valencian to the the official build. I hope my explanation makes sense to you.
Comment 3 ooo 2010-03-31 14:30:12 UTC
In cws OOO321l10n:

changeset 3452f80700f5
http://hg.services.openoffice.org/cws/OOO321l10n/changeset/3452f80700f5
M i18npool/source/isolang/isolang.cxx
M setup_native/source/win32/msi-encodinglist.txt
M solenv/bin/modules/installer/globals.pm

You can observe the progress and possible integration date of CWS OOO321l10n at
http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/cws.ShowCWS?Path=OOO320%2FOOO321l10n


@jcorrius: As qcv is a reserved-for-local-use code one can do with that what one
pleases as long as the use is local, e.g. use that for a localization. However,
distributing documents containing that code would not be a local use and should
be refrained from. I presume those guys won't care about that in their own
build, but ... we do not offer Valencian as a language selection for document
content.

Btw, which mail on what list are you referring? I didn't see any.
Comment 4 jesus 2010-03-31 15:24:34 UTC
@er: ops, it looks like my message didn't get into the mailing list for some reason.

SIL International rejected the petition to incorporate qcv_ES into ISO 639-3 for Valencian, as you
can read here:

http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/cr_files/PastComments/CR_Comments_2006-129.pdf

The reasons for the rejection are, in short:

1. The Language spoken in Catalonia, València, Andorra and the
Balearic Islands is unique and understandable by all its users, as
defended by the official Valencian organizations: Consell Valencià de
Cultura CVC and Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua AVL.

2. The official statement of the Supreme Court of Spain is that even
if Valencian and Catalan have different names, are the same language.

So I am OK if qvc_ES is included as something reserved for local use, as anyone can do as they please 
with it, but Valencian should be properly identified in the future with a proper BCP47/RFC5646 
language tag and that is what the translation should use.

I am relieved to know that there will be no document content using this weird locale.
Comment 5 paugnu 2010-03-31 15:28:09 UTC
@er: So, what's going to happen once codes like ca-valencia are accepted? Will
they accept the code ca-valencia for their build? As far as I know that won't
happen because these these Valencian localizers (actually the politicians behind
them) have already said that they need the qcv code.

Will two versions of the Valencian build exist with different codes? This is
basically the most confusing to me.

We can  do the Catalan (Valencian) translation if necessary -we already do this
with other projects-. But we would like to avoid the qcv builds to be 
istributed away from the OpenOffice.org website or even from the GNU/Linux
distributions that obtain the translation from pootle (I'm not sure where they
take the translation from). This recent step from you may be undestood as a
charte blanque to circumvert following standard codes in localization, just
because of poltical pressures or bribing, and end-users can be affected by this
confusion (not necessarily only in Catalan language).
Comment 6 ooo 2010-04-14 15:59:54 UTC
This is now obsolete, the UI l10n will use the existing ca-XV code, see issue
110438.